I had been awfully busy with both my professional as well as my personal life and that’s precisely the reason for not writing a piece for long time now…
I was reading a blog written by one of our fellow bloggers “Koshur” (http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com), according to him we should observe 5th January as a Self determination day. See what my friend had to write …
“Dear Fellow Kashmiris,
Please join your fellow countrymen in observing January 5th 2009 as Self-Determination Day. We can show our solidarity with the freedom movement by wearing black ribbons or black scarves on our wrists, or vehicle-antennas.
No farcical elections can substitute our right to self-determination. That is real democracy.”
After going through his earlier posts I came to the conclusion that he is more concerned about what Omar Ab. wears, eats, stays, blogs...Etc etc then helping the kashmiri cause. Every write up contains some element of personal onslaught.
I will not drag this topic for I am constrained by my need for conciseness, but just to make a point here, few months back when a couple of hundred thousand people came on roads for the Amarnath issue,the whole media went into frenzy calling it a referendum, but in the recent held election people participation was more then 60%, and yet we declare it as a farcical election, isn’t this HYPOCRISY
You may differ on various subjects and may be not agree with Omar as a person but for all of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of youth, reason and justice must be keenly aware how important it is for the nation to see Omar Abdullah as the Chief Minister.
11 comments:
every one has his or her point of view , the other blogger has his own and you have your own.
so chill dude.
Dear Tanvir, surprisingly you were the one pitted against National conference (read Omar Abdullah) during the recent elections in Zadibal constituency and now suddently you seem to have realized the necessity of Omar Abdullah becoming CM of the state, even after losing the mandate to the NC candidate. Now what should one call it hypocrisy, diplomacy or simply dirty politicking. Even Koshur was all praise for Omar Abdullah in his earlier posts and had pin pointed him as the only wise and sane politician of the state and suddenly he started calling him a coward etc etc. As a common reader and citizen of this state I am astonished what is going on. Perhaps blogs seem to have been hijacked by all politicians like you and koshur leaving little space for a sincere and honest voice. Sometimes you people say autonomy is the solution to kashmir problem and in the same blog with a different breath you turn your focus on self-determination. People like you have marred the fate of this beleagured state. We seem to have been overflooded by camoflouged chamelions who change their colours as per their own whims and fancies as and when it suits their personal interests, not minding seeling their conscience and even the blood of martyrs for petty morsels. So sad....
I am glad to see that my blog is being discussed on yet another blog!
@kashmir crisis blog.
I am also glad that you took time to read my blog and based on what you have written it seems that you have also read my earlier posts.
What would have been hypocritical on my part is that if I had deleted those earlier posts where I had praised Omar Abdullah. Mind you, those were posts when Omar was writing his blog, and had not quit. I like to judge people based on what their views are, even though they happen to be diametrically opposed to mine; just like I may differ with Tanvir on political views, but I respect his courage to post them here. If her were to quit blogging just because I call him a pro-India stooge, he would be no different than a coward himself.
Unlike Omar, I am not a coward and do not shy away from defending my opinions and views. Yes I was pro-autonomy and pro-India just like Tanvir is now, but if you have read my posts on my blog, my views have evolved over time. I would have been a Chameleon, as you conveniently seem to label me, had I deleted those earlier posts. But I want the world to know that my views have changed over time since I took time to learn about the Indian colonisation of Kashmir. I do not like to form an opinion based on what is the popular sentiment at the time, rather i research a topic myself, and if I happen to find convincing arguments later, I will change my views based on that. That is thinking logically, and not emotionally.
Would you mind posting a link to your blog. Clicking on your name does not work.
@Tanvir
I also find it interesting that even though you lost to the NC candidate that you still defend the election results!! common sense tells me that any lost candidate would be wailing and shouting aggainst vote rigging and faulty voting machines, but you seem to be happy defending the 60% turnout. Is it maybe because you and his majesty Omar knew the results beforehand? Is it not true that both of you conspired to divide the Shia vote thus makiing it easy for the third NC candidate to win? (I am aware of Zadibal politics, and this is no secret)
And to claim that these were not farcical elections!!
My dear Koshur, I pity how blissfully wrong you are. Nevertheless it happens when one keeps changing colours like a chamelion, you lose track of your own views and ideas and forget when you said what while you were busy in camouflaging the readers. When you were all praise for Omar Abdullah, those were not the posts when omar was writing his blog as you have wrongly mentioned in your comment above. He had already quit blogging by then.
I am copying here your own comments from your blog post dated 11.08.2008,(please refer back for confirmation) where you wrote, "The reason I chose to discuss Omar is that it appears fanatics have succeeded in silencing him by making him quit blogging (his blog)".
In the same blog you go on to register your opinion clear and loud about Omar by writing, "I will be honest enough to confess that even though I have been following Omar's career for the past decade, up until recently, I was convinced that he is just another opportunistic Indian politician; ......What changed my perception of Omar was his blog, (and later on his interviews and speeches). But out of all, his blog left a lasting impression because I believe that the way one writes speaks volumes about a person and is a reflection of the person's character and convictions".
Your belief is too naive, ill-concieved and insane dear Kosur. Just because a leader has good hold over some language does not make him legitimate and does not overshadow his wrong-doings in the past. You went on to write in the same post, "I am unable to point to another contemporary leader in Kashmir who would match Omar's calibre. Omar is a thorough gentleman. I am not a psychophant or someone seeking a mandate!"
Dear Kosur, your desperation to resort to Omar bashing right from the day tickets were distributed by NC makes me strongly believe that you were seeking a mandate from Omar in the recent elections.Otherwise why should your vast blog be scaled and reduced down to petty one point agenda of omar bashing.You were the one who advocated voting in favour of independents thus lending legitimacy to the farcical electioneering of India in J&K.
Your praises for omar in the above-mentioned blog did not stop at that. You went on to write, "I am also not exxagerating when I say that the wealth of information through his posts and from comments from his readers is unmatched". Now my question to you is, at that time when Omar had already quit blogging you didn't call him a coward or whatever, on the contrary you praised him like a true sycophant. Then what made you resort to mud slinging against him on the mere ground that he has quit blogging. In another post made by you on November 28th, 2008 you wrote, "Of all the politicians in Kashmir, Omar Abdullah scares me the most. Not because he has converted to Hinduism and went to Haridwar to seek the blessings of his Godfather and Guru "Shri" Dayanand Pandey, who incidentally has been implicated in bombings in malegaon.....What scares me most is his duplicity and lack of candor". NOw you say that you have changed your opinion about Omar only after conducting thorough research of your own. So you want to make us believe that you conducted indepth research that made you have a diagonally opposite viewpoint about Omar abdullah just within a short span of three months between your previous post of 11.08.2008 to the one dated 28.11.2008. Till 11/8 you were of the opinion that omar is yet another opportunistic Indian politician. Then his blog made you change your mindset about him. You started considering him a thorough gentleman with an unmatched calibre. Then suddenly when Omar quits blogging, you start castigating him for being a coward, for marrying a hindu girl, for not circumsizing his sons etc etc. The mute question remains that Omar was married to a hindu girl way back in 1994 when he had not even started blogging, his sons were uncircumsized (if we are to believe your words) even before he started blogging. Nothing of that nature changed when he started blogging or when he subesqently quit. Then what made you castigate him for these things now. Why he was a thorough gentleman and not a converted hindu then? When you called him wise and sane politician of the state, that time he had already joined hands with BJP and had been a party to Gujrat carnage of thousands of innocent muslims. He continued to be an Indian puppet throughout when you changed your viewpoint about him from he being opportunistic to sane & wise to coward etc etc. It hardly needed any research to decide what politicians like Omar Abdullah or Mehbooba Mufti are. Even a small kid on the streets of Srinagar will tell you what they are.....bloody Indian agents and traitors of Kashmir cause. Did you really need to conduct any research for that, dear Koshur. Come on, you need to answer these questions. Because these questions are smacking of your nasty intentions. These questions are sufficient enough to expose you and bring out your real self into limelight.
You know what I was a big fan of your blog and your writing prowess till recent times. But my whole perception about you changed the moment you started advocating voting in favour of independents. I instantly realised that like Tanveer Sadiq you are an Indian agent (politician) in blogger's disguise. You actually seem to have been begging for a mandate from Omar Abdullah and when you didnt succeed in getting the same, you reduced the aim of your blog solely to omar bashing.
Lastly I request bloggers like you and Tanvir to stop fooling Kashmiris, stop cheating us, show us your real face, stop camouflaging, stop disguising, have courage to show up your real self, state what you truly believe and display your real loyalties. Tell us what you are?
unitl recently I used to think that Koshur is Gul Shah. But I was obviously proven wrong yesterday. Now I think Koshur is asiya andrabi.
@KashmirCrisis
I understand Tanveer. One can contest a democratic election and still be man enough to support the candidate who has won.
This is called mature politics. If only all the Kashmiris behave like Mr Tanvir Sadiq and don't resort to assassinations and murders, you can turn the fate of the valley around.
Remember : your destiny lies in your own hands.
I understand Koshur as well. Everybody has a thought evolution over time. It is important to notice that he hasn't deleted his earlier posts. He has nothing to hide. I also understand his concerns over revealing his true identity : that will probably be risky for his life in the valley. There are far too many actors (Indian army, violent Mujahideen etc) who wouldn't think twice before putting a life down.
@ Kashmir Crisis Blog.. It looks like you did not read the blog in the right perspective, even if i lost the election to an NC candidate , the world does not end there. The biggest problem with people like you is that you want everything to happen your own way , you are not ready to understand the others point of view. Omar Abdullah is a person with the same conviction as you me or others have, he has a certain freshness of mind, open to ideas and above all a youth leader who does not carry an excess baggage of the past. I may have lost an election, I was denied a mandate but that should not and will not deter me from contributing whatever little I can to serve my state. You may from the roof tops scream that you are the last surviving person to take the present movement to its logical conclusion but my dear (Since I don’t have you name and that your blog is not activated I will address you as my dear ) friend , it does not work like that, You got be practical and agree to disagree . I try to be as practical as I can. I lost but Omar won, As a kashmiri my conscience tells me to support Omar in his case to take Kashmir out of this intractable quagmire. Even if I am called an agent or a chameleon, I would prefer to listen to my heart then to a person who is so scared to identify himself or people who have just one point agenda to destroy Kashmir in the name of the separatist moment. Hope that’s enuf.
@ Koshur ….Since the blog was on your topic I will not go in the merits of your onslaught but just to add that no political person will ever destroy his budding career. Even if it helped NC to gain a seat, so be it! Content that Omar got the benefit. I was the NC’s official candidate and after the last minute change of mind , I had no other option then to jump into the fray , I just got 2 weeks to convince the people what I stood for, I had to fight 3 big political parties and still came as a runner up. As far as I am concerned I proved a point to some one who remote controlled and thought that Zadibal seat was his bastion….Now who is the winner, I leave it to you.
@ Ray lighting.. Thank you very much for understanding my point. I wish people like you would prevail on others and make a common voice. Lets leave our selfish motives aside and work for the nations betterment. Lets give Omar Abdullah a chance and not out rightly reject his vision.
@All….At last thanks everybody for sparing some time for this discussion. Stay safe.
@Tanvir
Every one in Kashmir knows that it was Sheikh Abdhullah and NC which invited, facilitated and cemented Indian Occupation of Kashmir. Omar Abdhullah is a part of that family. To him Kashmir is an 'attoot ang' of Bharat and he is an 'attoot ang' of Indian occupation. He has made his priorities clear and he is respected by Indian Occupational machinery for that integrity. He got ministries and now so called CM's chair as a reward.
What about you Tanvir? Do you too consider Kashmir as an 'Attoot Ang' of Bharat ? Answer my question clearly without twisting. Dont answer in a diplomatic and dodgy way. Answer straight for every layman to understand. We Kashmiris need to ask these questions to politicians rather than listening to their lectures and sermons.
@Tanvir
You have written a couple of hundred thousand people participated in the anti- India protests.
What a hypocrate you are. You must be a staunch Pro- Indian stooge. You are trying to keep your bosses in a good humour. Whole world knows that people came out in millions not in thousands.
You are as anti- Kashmiri as Arnab Goswami who also termed millions as 'a group of people'. You are from the same leauge. I dont know whom you are trying to please. Anyways, have good luck! You are a defeated person. Defeated mentally, morally and ethically.
@kashmir crisis.
here is a point by point rebuttal of your accusations:
-I praised Omar after reading his views on his blog. He seemed straightforward at the time and willing to listen to his opponents by posting their views on his blog. At the time, Omar had the courage to speak his mind and listen to his opponents. This is similar to me praising Tanvir Sadiq at this time for having the courage for being different from the pack and making his views known. 99% of the Kashmiri bloggers are pro-freedom, being Tanvir Sadiq would require a lot of courage to speak his un-popular views freely. It is that courage that I respect in Tanvir Sadiq, and USED to like in Omar Abdullah.
-You point out that I praised Omar after he stopped blogging. Timing is irrelevant. Maybe it was the same day I went to his blog and realized he had stopped. Praising an adversary for his courage is not psychophancy. Also, calling it as it is now is not mudslinging. In hindsight, omar showed poor judgement in quitting his blog. At that very moment I wrote what I felt was accurate.
-I will not discuss omar's family anymore, I have already acknowledged my poor judgement when I did so before in my earlier posts.
-the wealth of information on omar's blog was indeed priceless. Altogether there were about a thousand posts from people having varied political views raning from pro-pakistan, pro-independence as well as pro-autonomy and pro-india. why would you have an objection to me praising that?
-you contend that i was out there seeking a mandate from Omar! this view is so laughable that i am hard pressed for words to respond to this bizzare theory. For one, how would my 'psychophancy' on an anonymous blog, with an anonymous name have any bearing on omar's decision on giving me a mandate?
-you list the dates that I praised omar for his blog and then when i started the mudslinging. But then conveniently skip through the posts where i have written about the amarnath agitations, my visit to the villages where conversions are taking place or the fact that omar starting talking about 'indian machinations'. I pointed out that it was a 'typical' politician about face that omar is talking about india when he is an MP. These events had a profound impact on my view of the Kashmir issue and i have mentioned many times that changing my views makes me a pragmatist and not a flip-flopper. I am open to learning and so should every logical person.
-you mention that small kids in kashmir will be able to tell me about the abdullah family treachory in kashmir. To that i have to say that i am not a small kid. I refuse to be indoctrinated by popular slogans.
-omar abdullah was a nobody until recently. I had better topics to write about earlier and that is why there are no posts agaisnt him since i started my blog.
-your writings sadly give me the impression that you want the status quo in kashmir to last for ever. we have to challenge the facts being forced down our throats by being pro-active. voting for independent candidates would have changed the rules of the game. Any one with an open mind can see through what a brilliant strategy this would have been for the separatists. And only people who like to shout others down can oppose this.
-in your latest posts you seem to reveal your true mindset. By calling Tanvir Sadiq a failure, you seem to relish the fact that his is a minority voice on the net. I having said it before and i will say it now, I respect Tanvir's courage to speak his mind on his blog. Even though I absolutely and totally disagree with his political views, I salute him for having the courage to bring forth his views unlike all the rest of us who are using pseudo names and anonymous posts.
finally i would like to add that your last few posts on Tanvir sadiq's blog really opened my eyes. sometimes i really get worried that what if we finally were independent and people with similar mindset such as yours are in a position of power. what would the fate of minorities and pro-indian populace be? would you similarly curtail their freedom and ostracize them? this scenario has to change and i hope i am wrong. I will be the first to voice my opposition in that case.
@tanvir sadiq
I have said that i respect your courage to speak your unpopular views on the internet. But that doesnt mean that i will let you go easily or that i will not be harshly critical of you and try to convince you to switch sided and join the separatist camp.
Here is the dilemma though. If you should make the informed decision of joining the separatist camp, people like kashmir crisis will be shouting from the rooftops that you are a turncoat, and opportunist, and a chameleon. Therefore, who is doing more disservice to the movement? It is sadly people such as kashmir crisis. It is because of people such as him that the freedom movementt in kashmir is stagnated. we need fresh ideas, and an open mind.
readers of your blog will liek to knwo that my online interaction with Tanvir sadiq began three years ago when i read his article in greater kashmir. What began with me writing a scathing email to him using adjectives not very different than what i has used for omar, or for that matter what 'kashmir crisis' used to describe him currently - i only used worse. surprisingly, his reply to me was measured and very polite, which thus earned him my respect. I have no qualms in acknowledging that there are knowledgeable and sound minds on both sides of the political spectrum in kashmir. what we are having here is an interaction of ideas and coming to know each other.
if we leave it to people such as 'kashmir crisis' we would sadly keep the cycle of violence, mistrust, and suspicion going for ever. we need a medium for making our views known without being called names or being shouted down.The internet and blogs are such a medium. I am guilty of calling names when it comes ot omar abdullah for sure, but i acknowlegde my mistakes and move on.
with this long-winded post, I would like to add that please do not stop blogging Mr Tanvir; your pro autonomy, and pro-indian political views are unpopular, misguided and speaking plainly - wrong. I do not agree with your views but I will stand by you and fight for your right to speak about them.
You seem to have spared no efforts in painting a hardliner image of mine. You seem to be working on the premise of "offence is the best defence" and that is why you have made an unsuccessful attempt to put me on defensive by levelling all sorts of baseless counter-allegations against me. Though initially I strongly felt like answering back your rebuttal point by point with strong and genuine justification, subesequently I didn't deem it necessary to engage in sequential excoriation or to explain my position on those charges owing to their impudence.
I am however happy that this discussion has made you remorseful enough to censor your own comments in your earlier posts. At the same time I do appreciate your patience and endurance to post all my comments verbatim. That is one silver lining which makes me think twice about your integrity. I have very clear and solid answers in my mind to almost all the comments of your rebuttal but since that will only elongate further the spree of allegations and counter-allegations, I wish to restrict myself to only one important issue that clearly reflects contradictions in your claims.
More than by your act of Omar bashing in almost every blog post, I was dejected largely by your endorsement of voting in favour of independent candidates during the assembly elections. You strongly believe that voting in favour of independent candidates would have turned the tide in favour of our spirit of freedom and you vehemently stand by your comments about that. I wish to draw your kind attention to the fact that you made this appeal of voting in favour of independents for the first time in your post dated 28.11.2008 titled, "Stop Omar Abdullah" when two phases of elections were already finished and last date for nominations for another four phases had also surpassed. Last date for nomination for the last seventh phase of elections was about to culminate in another 48 hours when you made that appeal. So under no circumstances was it possible at that time to motivate and subsequently nominate pro-freedom candidates as independents. Therefore obviously you wanted all Kashmiris to vote in favour of those independents who were all pro-Indian characterless stooges, whose only motivation for contesting elections was either money or power. It is no secret that many political parties had offered 3-4 lakhs for each independent candidate in order to cut down upon the vote-bank of their opponents (a reason that independent candidate from Zadibal constituency, Mr. Tanveer Sadiq has subtly but candidly accepted (leaving aside the money part) upon being accused of the same by none other than you Mr. Koshur). Given this scenario, no sane person would ever have expected from these independent candidates to further the agenda of pro-freedom groups in the state assembly. It would be blissful ignorance and self-deceipt to expect such independents many of whom were surrendered militants to raise the slogans of freedom of Kashmir in the constituent assembly. I wonder then what made you swing in favour of independents. Since the last date of nomination of candidates was already over when you made this appeal there was no way we could field selected freedom-loving candiates at that time. Then why should anybody have voted in their favour at the huge cost of rendering legitimacy to the farcical electioneering process of India and demeaning the self-esteem of Kashmiri nation by indirectly accepting Indian occupation through voting. This one point haunted me the most and consequently I couldn't stop commeting on it. Rest of the points raised by you hardly need any clarification owing to their presumptive nature. None of the points are based on grounds of logic and genuine reasoning. If you wish I can very well elaborate how.......
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